KNEE INJURY MCL (MEDIAL COLLATERAL LIGAMENT)

KNEE INJURY MCL (MEDIAL COLLATERAL LIGAMENT)2010-04-06T04:11:09+00:00
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  • skiyogabunny
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    I had a ski accident yesterday and went to E.R DR said I have MCL injury a partial tear.
    Is this going to ruin my yoga? what should I avoid? do? I rather do gentle yoga than go to physical therapy.
    Any advice greatly appreciated.
    By the way, I have been on advil, icing knee and elevating it since yesterday.
    Thank you

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hi Vanessa

    Oh dear! Are you in great pain? Clearly while you’re on advil and icing and elevation you probably should avoid going to yoga! 😉 You should avoid further risk to your knee until all inflammation is gone.

    OK, so some questions:
    Were you told whether this was a grade 1 or 2 tear or perhaps grade 3?
    Were you asked to wear a brace? If not then the injury is probably on the non-serious side!

    The knee although a simple hinge has a complex arrangements of ligaments. Your MCL also joins to your meniscus (unlike the lateral CL). At the moment you will want to avoid twisting movements.

    When you swelling is gone then you will be exercising your knee and building the strength again. Just open and close your knee as the simple hinge (avoid twisting for now). Start to practice locking your knee (using your quadriceps muscles).

    There is generally very good supply of blood to the MCL so it should heal well. But it does depend on the size of the tear (grade of the injury). It could take up to 2 months to heal it back to normal. So …

    There are poses that you will want to avoid or modify when the time comes for yoga.

    >>> 1 Eagle: Just crouch down hips back body up, twist the arms but NOT the legs.
    >>> 2 Tree: See if you feel comfortable just putting sole of foot on lower leg or upper leg NOT at the knee. Your 100% healthy leg could do the regular tree or you can maintain symmetry and do the same thing on both sides. Obviously NO toe stand.
    >>> 3 Fixed Firm: May initially be difficult. It depends on the tear and the healing. It may actually feel comfortable because Supta creates some space on the inside of your knee. So don’t be concerned at this stage if you have to skip for a while. The modification is simple and very restorative: Sit on your heels with knees and feet together. Just sit! Feet face down with lower legs straight and untwisted.

    The above are the obvious ones.

    OK I am on my way out the door so I will have to continue later with the rest.

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    skiyogabunny
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    Thank you so much for all your info. I am getting a better perspective on what type of movements to avoid.
    The E.R DR said my injury was level 1. He said there was tear but not completely. I have noticed that the swelling is minimal too.
    I have a knee brace for when I venture out, but so far I am planning on staying home and not risking further injury for at least 4 days after injury. (It’s snowing like crazy so not a good idea to go outside).
    I am hoping this will heal quickly.

    Thanks again.

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hi Vanessa

    OK! Grade 1. I believe that with appropriate care (and pose modification) until your MCL is healed, you should return to a normal hot yoga practice! Yay

    When you get back in the hot room, if you have any questions, come back and together we can work it out! Just continue building on strength and ease back into your twisting poses as indicated so that your healing stays on track.

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    hearing.aids
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    What are the symptoms of a medial collateral ligament injury?
    The most common symptom following a medial collateral ligament injury is pain directly over the ligament. Swelling over the torn ligament may appear, and bruising and generalized joint swelling are common 1 to 2 days after the injury. In more severe injuries, patients may complain that the knee is unstable, or feel as though their knee may ‘give out’ or buckle.

    Symptoms of a medial collateral ligament injury tend to correlate with the extent of the injury. MCL injuries are graded on a scale of I to III.

    Grade I MCL Tear
    This is an incomplete tear of the MCL. The tendon is still in continuity, and the symptoms are usually minimal. Patients usually complain of pain with pressure on the MCL, and may be able to return to their sport very quickly. Most athletes miss 1-2 weeks of play.
    Grade II MCL Tear
    Grade II injuries are also considered incomplete tears of the MCL. These patients may complain of instability when attempting to cut or pivot. The pain and swelling is more significant, and usually a period of 3-4 weeks of rest is necessary.
    Grade III MCL Tear
    A grade III injury is a complete tear of the MCL. Patients have significant pain and swelling, and often have difficulty bending the knee. Instability, or giving out, is a common finding with grade III MCL tears. A knee brace or a knee immobilizer is usually needed for comfort, and healing may take 6 weeks or longer.

    decatur1945
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    I have not been doing Bikram for quite some time due to old knee injuries that cropped up. I finally gave in and had knee surgery back in May. Had part of MCL removed, there was quite a bit of scar tissue as well that had built up. I have recovered fairly well, but still have pain when I walk up and down stairs. I’m wondering if I can/could/should start doing bikram again.

    Oh well, here’s another issue, since we’re talking about medical stuff. My cardiologist suggested I not do hot yoga. Wonder if I should ignore her advice.

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Welcome back friend! 🙂 Haven’t ‘seen’ you for a while. Hope the healing process is going well for you.

    Can you tell me if you’re getting massage at the moment? And can you tell me what exercises you are doing to strengthen the knee and get back its range of movement and flexibility? Are you doing any yoga at all? What do you do to manage pain? More about your healing please.

    Re your cardiologist: Your information is really too scant to give an opinion. Which is either going tell you a lot about that advice or not! Let me explain. If you said to her: “I do hot yoga” and she said “you shouldn’t do hot yoga because it’s bad for you” and that was the extent of the conversation then that’s not telling you anything about her reasoning at all. That would be more of an opinion and you have no idea if that opinion is based on experience. Plus you have the other factors of varying conditions in different studios.

    Ignorance can create all sorts of interesting responses in people. However, she could have genuine reasons. Let’s wait til you get back on that before we move forward on that.

    So, can you tell me what was told to you exactly? Anything at all that happened in that interaction.

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    decatur1945
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    Wow, it’s great to be remembered!

    I’ll try and answer your questions. Currently, the majority of my excerice is walking. I have regained nearly all, if not all, range of motion, in fact my knee is more flexible now than before the surgery. I no longer take any pain meds. I do get massages and they do seem to help. I have not been doing any kind of yoga, although I have considered it. I plan to start excercising on an exercise bike hopefully today.

    As I recall the discussion with my doc she said that the heat was probably not good for me due to my blood pressure, it didn’t have anything to do with my heart health. I get regular check ups and periodic EKGs, stress tests, and nuclear stress tests. My heart is in very good condition. the suregery I had was to correct a leaky valve and not weakness or blockage of the heart. Forgive me if the following is too much detail. A few years prior to my surgery at a regular check up my general practitioner said I had a heart murmur, had never been told that in my entire life, but the murmur was not significant and not to worry about. So, a few years later, I spent several months feeling lousy, flu like sypmtoms and genral lethergy. Eventaully it was discovered that I had a blood infection that was severe (nearly died) endocarditist (forgive my spelling)and that increased the severity of my mitral valve prolapse problem. I told the heart surgeon that I wanted the valve repaired and not replace if possible. So, I didn’t get a replacement valve but I’m guessing it was some sort of seal or something that causes the valve to seal properly, which solved the problem. Anyway, it took several months to heal from the surgery and the infection. I had to take some very, very strong antibiotics and have some residual kidney issues, but not severe. As mentioned in another thread there are some other residual issues.

    Anyway, thanks for asking and I hope I haven’t put everyone to sleep reading this.

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hi Stephen

    The details were great. And I was awake the entire post! 😆

    I believe that yoga will help your knee for sure. Tell me if you decide to go back and what style and perhaps I can give you some pointers.

    I don’t have enough info about your blood pressure. Is it managed by your diet and or by any medication?

    Blood pressure is by default an issue with your heart. The heart is the pump that helps to regulate the flow, the strength of each drop that passes through to distribute the fluids (and nutrients) to the body. So therefore your heart has a lot to do with the pressure. It’s a complex system that many other systems dovetail into. Another MAJOR system that’s closely connected is your renal (kidney) system.

    So, guess what? Yoga helps you tone and optimise your bodily systems. Now, of course you know I cannot prescribe anything to you but I can certainly offer you anecdotal info (I can’t take the place of your doctor, but you can do your research and find much yoga-supportive information).

    Hot yoga has been known to improve blood pressure. Actually being in the hot room has many great cardiovascular benefits. In fact exercising in the heat improves cardiac output and stroke volume (efficiency of the pump).

    What do you think you’ll do? And remember to tell me about your blood pressure!

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

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