Some environmental concerns

Some environmental concerns2015-10-10T10:14:28+00:00
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  • hubbiida
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    Hi,

    I have been considering trying Hot Yoga, but I have some reservations about the environmental aspects of the practice. Is it true that Hot Yoga uses various kinds of heaters to create high temperatures in the classroom? I guess have always thought of Yoga as something in tune with the need for ecology and conservation, but excessive use of natural resources, as I suppose is part of the Hot Yoga practice, seems contrary to that. Not trying to be difficult. Just curious.

    What am I missing?

    Thanks!

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hi hubbiida

    Welcome to the forum. Your question has a lot more to it than meets the eye. One the surface it could be a simple equation of ecology: and your case you mention resources wasted in the name of yoga. On that point you do have valid concerns. Most studios use heat sources that require a ridiculous amount of energy. But naturally that is not all anyone considers when partaking in any pursuit. If we did, we’d probably all be hamstrung wondering what was the most efficient way to operate. We’d not drink water or any drink from a plastic bottle. We’d only buy bulk supplies of any product rather than waste the packaging associated with products delivered in unreasonably small quantities that encourage too frequent purchasing. We might all have solar panels, may grow all our own food, ride bicycles, recycle more, etc, etc, etc.

    It is a question of where you choose to draw the line. And it is one where you have to decide on the benefits of your choices.

    Actually, if I were to get a little deeper more philosophically, I might say that we all vigorously defend our own choices. So, whatever choices I make in this moment, in my life, I believe are right for me. And I ‘defend’ them to the hilt by my deeds and actions and words. It’s part of our survival mechanism.

    One of my reasons and that I believe of many, many others when it comes to choosing to do the hot yoga is that there is little else in my life that is something that I do that makes me feel so darn good. I am one of those who love it WHILE I am doing it. There are just as many who hate the yoga itself (strong word I know) but love how they feel after practice.

    Feeling good about yourself is a great way to change the world. It’s a great start to see the world through a better lens (to feel more empowered). I have conducted surveys through my websites and in a survey of 1100 plus respondents the majority response (where the respondent typed in what they loved and not just chose from a multi-choice list) was that they ‘felt good for no good reason’ (or similar wording).

    So, the most powerful reason I can think of at this moment (and I am sure after I press ‘submit’ I will think of a number of ways I could have answered this post) is that doing hot yoga, this series particularly, the alchemy of heat and yoga makes me and countless others ‘feel good for no good reason’. It makes people feel more healthy, more vital, more alive, more able, more healed, more loved, more flexible, more accepting, more accepted, more connected and more ‘mores’.

    My justification for going is strong and I will defend it. But, let’s take a practical approach to it. If you do happen to practise hot yoga, then I suggest that the best use of resources is to practise in a public studio where a number of people leverage the use of the energy to produce the heat. It will be far more efficient than practising at home in a studio built for one.

    Finally, I strongly believe that many studios heat their studios to temperatures that are too high and introduce risk for some of the participants. Heating to around body temperature (98F or 37F) is as high as one needs to go. Higher than that is unnecessary, uses way too much energy and many students do get signs of chronic heat exhaustion (however mild). That is a conversation we can have another time and there are plenty of threads on this forum that already have much information about ‘heat index’, heat exhaustion, and many other subjects such as studio heating.

    More importantly I would like to hear your response! I would love to know if you’ll try hot yoga and or what other thoughts and feelings you have as a result of reading my words

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    hubbiida
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    Thanks for your reply. I am sorry to say, it has not reassured me about Hot Yoga. In fact, it has only served to confirm what I suspected. In between the time that I posted and you replied, I did more research. That and your contentions above have convinced me that not only is Hot Yoga not for me, it should not be for anyone. Honestly, I am shocked.

     

    I think this quote from your reply sums it up best: “We might all have solar panels, may grow all our own food, ride bicycles, recycle more, etc, etc, etc.”

     

    Heavens! What a terrible thought.

     

    But seriously, would that be so bad? Of course, the answer is no. That would be amazing. In fact, that is exactly what we, as conscientious citizens of Planet Earth, should be doing. That and much, much more. Every day we make choices. Those choices should be, as much as possible, geared toward creating a sustainable existence. Unnecessary overuse of essential resources, resources that not only pollute our environment, but are all but proven to be contributing to an environmental change that may ultimately make our own and many other species extinct should not be indulged in. For a person, or a group of people, who claim to be practitioners of Yoga, to engage in such behavior is very discouraging. I can only explain it by assuming that such people do onto understand what Yoga really is; that their westernized viewpoint of Yoga has changed it into something it was never intended to be.

     

    Your rational, that engaging in Hot Yoga is a choice based on what makes you “feel so darn good,” is no excuse for the waste of energy inherent in the practice. There are many, many activities that make people feel good that are extremely harmful to others and to the environment. The simple fact that they make you feel good is not a justification for engaging in them. Your assertion that you will defend your choice to do Hot Yoga “to the hilt” only suggests to me that somewhere, in some unconscious or not so unconscious place inside, you know that what you’re are doing is essentially wrong. At least, I hope that is the case.

     

    So, far from trying Hot Yoga, I will instead suggest that you try some other form of Yoga. I have been practicing Yoga for over 40 years. I can tell you that there are many, many forms of Yoga that are not harmful to the environment and make you feel more than darn good. They are transcendent. And all you need for these practices is your body. You don’t even need a yoga-mat or a lot of spandex. A pair of hemp draw-string shorts and a tee will suffice.

     

    You seem like a good person. I’m sure some day you will come around to this point of view. When you do, look me up. Maybe we can practice together.

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hi hubbiida

    Well, that was certainly taken out of context! My apologies that I didn’t make my ideas more clear. My point is that I DO agree with you. I tried to demonstrate that with the very sentence you took so negatively: “We might all have solar panels, may grow all our own food, ride bicycles, recycle more, etc, etc, etc.” My point is that we don’t and that’s a terrible shame.

    For somebody such as yourself who has such vast yoga experience I am surprised at some of the turns of phrases you have used.

    My point that people might not drink water from a plastic bottle (and other ensuing thoughts) illustrates that sometimes people make decisions that go against the logic and rational. I for example HATE those single use plastic bottles and carry my own water in a vessel that I use many times 24/7 for months or years (as long as it lasts), but if I were with my daughter and she needed water I WOULD buy her a bottle. So I think that more thought needs to be given to the arguments proffered.

    My point is that people in general make justifications for ALL the choices that they make. How one judges those choices is a personal thing. I would prefer to live in a world where everybody uses solar and renewable energy sources. However, that’s not the world I live in right now.

    I see that a world with people doing more yoga, and yes even with more people doing more hot yoga (leveraging that resource use by practising together in one well insulated heated room) is a world where more people can be more mindful. There are studios that heat efficiently. The yoga grows the mindfulness. I don’t care what style of yoga that is. There is choice for everyone. From practice grows change. It is not for me to judge what style is right for anyone. If one type of anything worked for everyone then we’d all be doing it. Maybe we need more people to awaken through whatever form of yoga they want.

    A world where people feel good for no reason is a world I want to live in. The flow on effects of such a world would quite likely be a place of peace and love and connection. So no, I reject the notion that anyone should feel wrong for practising yoga. The more the better.

    You give the impression  that people have to qualify to stand alongside you! I am sure (or at least hope!) that’s not the message that you intend to give. I prefer not to be judged for my choices. I am sure the same goes for you. Perhaps you would prefer a world where the following applies. [And still, the person in the following description also makes their own justifications to exist. They are just different justifications.]  Do you know anybody and I mean ANYBODY who eschews ALL non-sustainable ways of living and doesn’t participate in any means that use non-sustainable production? Do you know anybody at all operating from a dwelling that is ‘off-grid’, built entirely from sustainable means, someone who wears totally ecological clothing choices, (one could ask for eg, if cotton and its water-hungry production is sustainable, but I don’t want this thread to go there, I am just making a point) eats organic food preferably grown in one’s own garden, rides transportation that is powered by renewable energy or rides some kind of people-powered vehicle like a bicycle, who doesn’t use any chemicals to clean their environment or self, recycles everything they can, does not purchase packaged products that are wrapped or contained in any kind of plastic made from fossil fuels, and the list goes on and on with myriad choices… ? I don’t know anybody who fits that hyper-ideal description. But I know many people who make many choices from that extensive list. I am in no position to question their choices. Inspired decisions of others fuel some of my own decisions. So I try to be inspired rather than judgmental or exclusive.

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    hubbiida
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    Hi,
    Thanks for your response, but with all due respect, it merely amounts to more justification for something which is unjustifiable. It is unnecessary to heat a yoga studio to 95 or more degrees simply to do yoga. Period. End of story. There is nothing more to say. It is an appalling waste of natural resources multiplied enormously by the growing popularity of Hot Yoga. Imagine the hundreds, maybe thousands of yoga studios all over the world now engaging in this practice. It is wrong, plain and simple. What is more, it is against the best traditions of yogic practice. If this is not obvious to you, I can’t make you see it. Yoga is not only about feeling good. It is about being a good person. Being a good person means that every time you make a choice, you make the best one for all living things, not just yourself. Hoarding resources is not in the best interest of all living things. It’s something you are doing because you perceive it to be good for you. Trying to rationalize your choice to pretend it is good for the world is not valid. I hope someday you can see that this is true. I know it is not PC to be “judgmental.” But we all have our opinions. Mine is that what you are doing is wrong. You think it’s right, and you’re welcome to do so. At the end of the day we can still be friends. I can’t support what you do, but I wish you the best all the same.

    hubbiida
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    BTW: If you really enjoy sweating and being hot while practicing Yoga, why not try Ashtanga or some other form of Vinyasa Yoga. I think you’ll find that you can generate your own heat and sweat profusely even in a cold room in the middle of the winter, if you practice correctly. Perhaps you could convert your Hot Yoga studio into a Vinyasa Studio. Do something good for yourself, for the environment, and for the world!

    hubbiida
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    Here’s a link to an article about this issue that explains it much more eloquently than I do. Read the comments. Two are from ex-Hot Yoga teachers. That can be you!

     

    http://ecoyogini.blogspot.jp/2012/05/hot-yoga-hummer-of-yoga-styles.html?m=1

    • This reply was modified 9 years, 2 months ago by hubbiida.
    mzsocialworker1
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    I don’t get why people who choose to practice hot yoga, have to constantly defend their reasons for doing so.

    You don’t hear this about other styles.

    What works for me doesn’t need to work for you, just like anything else in life I choose to spend money and time on.

    And to the OP: you said you weren’t coming here to be difficult, but your post screams the opposite to me.

    Best of luck to you!

    hubbiida
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    mzsocialworker1, did you read my posts? If so you would get why practitioners of Hot Yoga need to defend themselves. If you missed it, here’s why: Hot Yoga is now a huge cultural trend. That means thousands of yoga studios around the world heating large, often poorly insulated rooms, usually with conventional heating systems to temperatures of over 90 degrees. Sometimes as high as 120!

    So, do you get it now? Can you not see how some people might take issue with the environmental impact of such behavior? From my point of view it is outrageous. What’s worse, it’s utterly unnecessary. Yoga can be practiced with just as much efficacy or more at normal room temperature. I actually practice in the winter in rooms as cold as 40 degrees Fahrenheit … and sweat! Yoga makes its own heat, if you know how. So, given this, why do you need to abuse the poor Earth any more than it is already abused just to get your yoga fix on? Please explain. I’d really like to know.

    mzsocialworker1
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    Why do you continue to try to shove your opinion down others throats?

    I don’t happen to agree with you and you’re not going to make me stop practicing something I enjoy.

    You are not being very yogi-like with your view.

    I feel a yogi respects others and their right to practice a style they enjoy, and not preach and force opinions onto one another.

     

     

    hubbiida
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    “Why do you continue to try to shove your opinion down others throats?”

    > It’s not my opinion, rather it is a fact that heating rooms to ridiculous temperatures increases use of carbon-based fuel, the very fuels that are almost undoubtedly to blame for global warming and a host of other environmental issues.

    “I don’t happen to agree with you and you’re not going to make me stop practicing something I enjoy.”

    > Is doing something you enjoy the only thing that is important to you in life? What if doing that thing is harmful to others or to the world at large? What if doing that thing is contributing to the detriment of the whole planet and all life on it? Is it still ok? If so, please explain why.

    “You are not being very yogi-like with your view.”

    > Actually, I’m being very “yogi-like” in my view. My view is in keeping with Aparigraha, the first of the eight limbs of Yogic practice as outlined by Patanjali, that which stipulates yogis must not engage in hoarding, which is exactly what practitioners of Hot Yoga are doing: they are hoarding energy for their own pleasure, which is utterly against yogic ethical precepts. You can read about this issue at the link below to an article critical of Hot Yoga:

    http://www.elephantjournal.com/2011/01/is-hot-yoga-overindulgent-bruce-stephens/

    “I feel a yogi respects others and their right to practice a style they enjoy, and not preach and force opinions onto one another.”

    > I feel that a yogi respects the earth and all of the living beings on it by limiting their use of natural resources as much as possible. In fact, as a yogi, one should develop a detachment from all material things, to the extent that they need as little as possible to exist. This is a clear ideal of yogic practice of which Hot Yoga practitioners seem completely unaware.

    I don’t mean to be nasty or to give you or any practitioner of Hot Yoga a hard time; I love yoga and I understand that doing Hot Yoga must be very enjoyable. I only ask that you try to look at it from my point of view for just a moment and please, please explain how it is that you think you have a right to waste energy in the name of your yoga practice, because that’s something I really can’t understand.

    mzsocialworker1
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    Sigh…..I’m done.

    The only energy being wasted on the environment is responding to you.

    hubbiida
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    Ok. But I will point out for future readers of this thread that you never once addressed any of the points I raised. Most importantly, you never answered the question:

    How do you justify Hot Yoga’s excessive use of natural resources?

    I’m guessing you didn’t answer because … you can’t.

    • This reply was modified 9 years, 1 month ago by hubbiida.
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