Teacher training

Teacher training2009-09-01T13:54:45+00:00
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  • newellimage
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    Hi, I have too discovererd Bikram Yoga and have loved all the benefits so far. After also reading Bikrams book I was hooked even more, on the benefits and what he claims it can do for everybody. So much that I want to do Bikram teacher trainig and have my own healing school with Bikram Yoga.

    With a little research I came across Gabrielle and have just received my master class book, which I am loving.

    Now just reading the last post on the forum and hearing a lot of doubt, questions about Bikram I am a little confused. I had only heard and experienced good things.

    So far from what I get from Gabrielle(please correct me if Im wrong) is that all the poses and concept of the heat are the same as Bikram but you are offering alot more information on the poses which I feel are lacking in a Bikram class especially for beginners. Being a fitness/pilates instructor myself I have felt that there is alot left out for students to work out for themselves.

    So I guess my question is…do I need to go to the US, (Im in Australia)to do Bikram teacher training to instruct this amazing ‘hot’ yoga which I have come to believe can heal, change your life in so many ways?? Bikram talks about all other FAKE yoga training out there.

    I want to learn the right way so I can be the best to pass on these amazing benefits to as many people as possible. And of course have the right information to back me up when I get asked ‘the questions’.

    Namaste

    Rebecca

    Jane1
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    I could be wrong, but I think that if you want to be a Bikram instructor, and ADVERTISE AS SUCH, you MUST do Bikram Teaacher training. I’ve never done it so I cannot say anything about the training. I’ve had excellent teachers and what I also consider to be not so excellent teachers. But they have all done the Bikram training. How you will be as a teacher will depend on what YOU bring to the table.

    I have found (maybe it’s just a coincidence) that those teachers who KNOW the dialogue but who do not just repeat it incessantly, who have their own comments to make, which vary (some start saying their own comments/jokes over and over again!)are the best. Those that have been the best for me use the dialogue to set you up, but they’re not fearful of letting you have a quiet savasana, they’re not fearful of interjecting with an observation they have made which is APPLICABLE at the moment they are making it. The dialogue repeaters seem TO ME to be less present, not all of them. BUt most of them. But again, this is not, I suppose, due soley to teacher training. How you teach will depend on who you are. (Perhaps all the people that go to teacher training shouldn’t be teachers in the first place!)

    I’ve had excellent teachers who have made really good corrections and then others who just want to correct, and who get in the way of your practice. Again, Bikram, I suppose can’t necessarily teach a person good judgment! Some of the teachers have it; others definitely do not!

    I have observed that reading Hot Doctor comments has already helped me, esp. regarding my shoulders and locking out the arms. They always tell you to lock out the arms, lock out the arms, at the expense of what might be going on with your shoulders. I read on the Hot Doctor about relaxing the shoulders and strenghtening the fingers, even if the elbows do not completely lock out (in time, they will: sometimes I find Bikram teachers talk a lot about patience, but many do not actually have patience: they want to SEE, RIGHT THEN AND THERE YOUR ARMS LOCK OUT BECAUSE THEY’VE TOLD YOU TO DO SO! AGAIN THIS DEPENDS ON THE STUDIO and the teacher, his/her personality, and his/her background–not just teacher training). By following Gabrielle’s recommendations and relaxing my shoulders, my elbows actually lock out much better!

    I think that you’ll find that you pick up different information in different places, e.g. Standing Bow — I’ve been told by some Bikram teachers–and this does work for me–to kick up hard before ever even going down. Perhaps this is what is meant by the ‘the kick drives movement forward’. But some Bikram teachers do not emphasize this, instead saying that one go forward and kick at the same time, which is a different idea from the kick driving the movement forward. AS one Bikram teacher told me, by kicking first you get more of the bend in your back that you’re looking for. What I have found is that doing that, coupled with holding my extending arm straight, my hand reaching towards my middle eye, as one Bikram teacher put it to me, and my arms as locked out as I can, helps me to establish and maintain balance.

    My main point here is that I don’t think you will go Teacher Training, get the answers to ‘the questions’, end of story. You will always get new questions. But more to my point, you will be learning different things from different places– some of the ‘places’ may be your own experience DOING the practice. I think another good place is at the Hot Yoga Doctor.

    Namaste and good luck!

    Jane

    outward1
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    Hi Rebecca,
    I think it’s really important for you to find out as much as you can about Bikram yoga, the training, and the financial/time commitments as you can. Everyone’s experience will be different. I went to Bikram training back in 2000. It was a very challenging experience and it showed me discipline and commitment. My teacher at home taught me how to think on my feet, how to make corrections and work with injuries. I learned through experience and years of teaching (10,000 hours of it) how to specialize in working with injuries and refine my techniques. I am still learning.

    And as Jane said perfectly…But more to my point, you will be learning different things from different places—some of the ‘places’ may be your own experience DOING the practice. I think another good place is at the Hot Yoga Doctor.

    You will invest a large sum of money in Bikram training, that is a fact. If I may, I recommend that you find out all you can about the Bikram franchising business. There is a huge amount of contention about the money grab “franchising” going on right now. Just do a simple Google search. It may affect your decision re. opening a “Bikram Yoga College of India”. There is a real change of focus/direction in the Bikram world and I am saddened to see that this may fracture the community irreparably. There has always been, in my opinion, a lack of support for teachers and studios from Headquarters and this just seems to reinforce that opinion.

    Once you start reading what is going on, I encourage you to stay focused on the positive. You have said you want to…have my own healing school with Bikram Yoga. In this world of ours, you are allowed to teach any sequence of poses that you’d like. If you call yourself Bikram Yoga and want to be affiliated with Bikram Yoga then you need to be a part of the Bikram franchise. His name and his marketing materials are copyrighted. You can also complete another teacher training and still open that healing school of yours.

    If I can share a story with you, when I started Bikram yoga 12ish years ago I LOVED it. It changed my life. I had never done anything like it. The studio started announcing that Bikram was coming to town. Bikram is coming to town, what’s a Bikram? A man, I had no idea. I didn’t even know there was a man behind it, other than my teacher Jim from New Jersey. Then I started to think about all of the wonderful things that had happened once I started this yoga. I wanted to meet the man who saved my life, who changed MY life. I was so excited. This was big. Then it wasn’t. I went to the seminar and I was greatly disappointed. It wasn’t one of Bikram’s finer seminars. I went home very dejected, Bikram, the man who “saved” me was just a man with faults and gifts just like the rest of us.

    I didn’t know how I could go back into class again. Then it occurred to me it was a real blessing that Bikram, the man, didn’t turn out to be someone I really connected with. It was ME who saved and changed my life, by pushing open the door to that stinky studio day after day after day. Why I tell you this is because it will be YOU, who goes in to work each day inspiring people, taking people through a series of poses, be it Bikram’s sequence or another sequence and those people will take it upon themselves to change and affect their own lives. It is a truly wonderful “job”.

    I hope this helps some. I think Jane responded to your post more eloquently than I could have. (Well Done:))
    Warmly,
    Ame

    Jane1
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    Oh, I thought this was a beautiful post, and I hope it is taken to heart.

    Namaste,

    Jane

    newellimage
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    Wow Jane and Ame, thank you both very much for your time on this matter. I will keep researching and yes most importantely….stay positive.
    Thank you Gabrielle for this wonderful website!!
    Gabrielle do you offer teacher training?

    Namaste
    Rebecca

    bravenewyoga
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    i can appreciate the balanced, thoughtful responses above and share many of the thoughts.

    i attended the bikram training myself and had the time of my life. i’ve never been a “true believer” per se, and from a philosophical point of view i tend to take what i like and leave the rest – but i can’t deny how much the yoga practice has added to my life. i considered the training a personal challenge – it’s quite intense – and i was amazed at what i learned about my practice and myself through the crucible of that experience. and as with the practice itself, i see my teaching constantly growing and evolving as i gain new awareness. i feel doubly blessed by having both the yoga practice as well as the “practice” of teaching…

    best of luck

    chris

    Gabrielle (The Hot Yoga Doctor)
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    Hi Chris

    Practicing and teaching! Both are so rewarding for their own reasons aren’t they?

    Hi Rebecca

    You asked a question about teacher training: Hmmmm I have certainly been asked whether I offer training quite a number of times. In fact so many times that I think it could be a possibility. I would love to hear some feedback on that!

    Namaste
    Gabrielle 🙂

    Addicted
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    People who use the 26 exact poses in the heated room but try to distance themselves from Bikram kind of annoy me.

    Robert Scanlon (Webmaster)
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    I’m not at all sure what specific point you wish to take up or address (ie what specifically is “annoying”, exactly “how” are you allowing it to be annoying; which people specifically you have noticed that cause your issue) … but you could try using your yoga practice to help you let go of this “annoyance”, whatever it is 😉

    Addicted
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    Well…I come here for ideas from others that practice Bikram but I really don’t GET the distancing of yourselves from Bikram, using the exact same postures in a heated room, but not wanting to associate yourselves with him and his name or so it seems?

    As for it annoying me…well, many less things annoy/anger me now that I practice Bikram yoga, but I’m not perfect. What can I say? I just love this man and love what he has given to the world. I guess I just don’t like when people seem to try to slap their names on his “creation”. It seems like a form of plagiarism to me.

    thedancingj
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    Geez. I don’t know what I can say here that won’t be misconstrued as “hate mail”!

    I agree with a lot of the things that have been said on here so eloquently. I especially like the observation that the quality of a teacher will ultimately always depend on what the individual brings to the table. There is no nine week (or nine month, or nine year) program ANYWHERE that can teach you EVERYTHING about practicing and teaching the yoga, and there are probably some things that can NEVER really be taught. They just have to be understood.

    But I have to back up “addicted,” too. It strikes me as really flip and condescending to say, “well, if you’re annoyed by something, maybe you should just be a better yogi”! Sheesh!! None of us is perfect here… but if something is really “off” about a situation, I think annoyance is a totally valid response. And I agree that it is totally bizarre to see how some people train with Bikram, learn everything from him, and then turn their backs on him and start telling their students that Bikram is teaching his own yoga wrong. I can’t understand it either.

    If you put someone up on a pedestal, they’re going to fall. It doesn’t matter who they are. Why would you expect him to not be human?

    Robert Scanlon (Webmaster)
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    dancingj: Yep, we get a tiny amount of “hate mail” (counted on the fingers of one hand in all our years online) usually from the dyed-in-the-wool followers of Bikram, but nothing that doesn’t make us smile! It most often seems to be when any challenge is made about “how” or “why” poses are instructed the way they are, or that somehow, people who contribute to developing hot yoga are thieves (yes, that was the content of one very funny email) – but anyway, that’s not the topic here. The topic is “Teacher training”.

    You may be under several misconceptions causing you to contradict your own logic. (I believe there are a lot of misconceptions when it comes to how yoga; business and copyright conjoin, but I’ll save that for another day – it would definitely be off-topic!).

    Let’s take a look at this:

    Bikram is teaching his own yoga wrong.

    God forbid anyone would do that! Or even want to … Hang on … whose yoga? Anyway, jokes aside, maybe he is, maybe he isn’t. For a start, anyone can contribute to another’s “work” – I can write about Shakespeare for example, and I may even show some more effective ways of writing his plays (though not judging by my forum posts … hehe). I don’t see why this is “bizarre” or “turning your back on someone”. (It might be, if they had asked for help and I refused …)

    As for yoga … it’s public domain and doesn’t “belong” to anyone. Therefore Bikram is always teaching “his” yoga correctly. What others, including plenty of people frequenting these forums, seem to feel is that there can be alternatives. Some of those alternatives can be clearly superior, if measured by results. Some of them help instructors to teach students how to “get” the pose … and some are just safer. So why not embrace them? To do otherwise is to make a stand for a “flat earth” and that is not a club I wish to belong to. But each to their own …

    There is no nine week (or nine month, or nine year) program ANYWHERE that can teach you EVERYTHING about practicing and teaching the yoga, and there are probably some things that can NEVER really be taught. They just have to be understood.

    OK – I’m with you here – hopefully we’re all learning. See my point later on below about innovation and evolution of products.

    You want to “back up” addicted? *raises eyebrow* From what? A defence for annoyance? Give peace a chance … I found the post to be very non-specific and not in any way constructive to the initial topic asking whether the Bikram teacher training was effective.

    And I agree that it is totally bizarre to see how some people train with Bikram, learn everything from him, and then turn their backs on him and start telling their students that Bikram is teaching his own yoga wrong.

    I would dispute the “learn everything” part of this concept – especially as you yourself point out that it can take a long time and much study. What this training appears to provide is a method by which attendees can learn to repeat a script that will “teach” a hot yoga class. Variation and debate does not appear to be widely encouraged. Many teachers, let alone students, simply don’t have the resources (time, money, information) to deepen their knowledge, so they rely on mis-information, much of which is propagated by a rote-learned script. Just try looking up “yoga tourniquet effect” on Google and you’ll get a sense of the “pseudo-logic” involved, since the predominance of entries are Bikram yoga related, with no authority sources cited. I’m making a point of this because I believe as an instructor one has an obligation to at least understand some of the science behind the frequently quoted phrases.

    As for the freedom to expand upon ideas already popularised, that is a foundational concept of the western world.

    Ford didn’t invent the car, he “improved” it and popularised it.

    Should I wish, I am totally able to take the Ford concept and better it. One might argue that many car manufacturers are doing just that. It certainly isn’t plagiarism.

    I am not allowed to call my version of the car a Ford of course – that would be infringing on intellectual property rights. Nor can I take parts of Ford car manuals and reproduce them as my own – that would be plagiarism.

    But perhaps I might be an amazing innovator and make a giant leap for humankind in how I approach bettering Ford’s car and in so doing serve the community.

    In our commercial world this is exactly what happens – the better products survive the test of time and get improved along the way. MP3 players were around way before the iPod …

    So what is one to do if you want to teach the same series, but disagree with fundamental elements of it. Still call it “Bikram-style yoga”? Seems hypocritical – it would possibly be smarter for all parties to be called or branded “something else”. We certainly don’t try to “claim” this series of yoga as belonging to anyone except the public domain … but anyone is entitled to protect their own intellectual property and promote it if so desired.

    Bikram didn’t “invent” yoga, nor the series he has popularised. What he has done extremely well is cultivate a loyal following. The main “issue”, if I have one, is that authentic questions about technique; anatomy; pose modifications; are often brushed away (and hence the reason why this forum is useful). Or that somehow it is impossible for anyone to improve the teaching of the series, or the training of instructors. I find that a shame.

    (See next post for remaining thoughts)

    Robert Scanlon (Webmaster)
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    (post continued here)

    I have no judgement about Bikram one way or the other. I do like the series itself and enjoy experimenting with improvements. Many of the technical aspects of it that Gabrielle now promotes I used to take issue with (for example, bent or straight legs in Paschimottanasa), but since trying for myself, I would agree feel far superior. YMMV.

    You would see I hope that we do not criticise Bikram here, we have only been critical of teaching and instructing techniques. What we are attempting to do is expand on the available knowledge, so that students can draw their own conclusions, as we all must.

    If you were to read the Hot Yoga MasterClass for example, you would only find positive examples of how to get the most from this series and indeed from any “beginner yoga”.
    And yes, I believe that if I am annoyed by something, I should do my best to work through that issue to get beyond the emotional elements and understand the root cause and my underlying needs. One way I do that is by using my yoga practice.

    Namaste

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