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    Great responses, everyone, thanks for the input.

    I agree that the 30% figure is surprising. The article does mention that surgeon skill is important. I can also tell you that one of my neighbors had to have his surgery redone TWICE because it wasn’t done correctly.

    Sometimes statistics can be misleading. And here’s what I mean by that in this case … my doctor was very clear in telling me that I might have post-op pain a full YEAR after the surgery. He said the body takes a long time to fully incorporate the mesh into your body.

    So I think it’s very possible that 30% experience some pain months afterward and that’s considered normal, but when presented as it is in the article it sounds alarming.

    And perhaps it IS. But I also know that many articles love to take anecdotal cases and try and widen them into catastrophic trends.

    GREAT EXAMPLE: Read this article about yoga and you would think yoga is the most dangerous activity possible:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/01/08/magazine/how-yoga-can-wreck-your-body.html?_r=0

    Anyway, I would certainly look into all options and weigh everything for yourself. All I can tell you is that it worked out great for me, but I urge you to really get a doctor who’s well-regarded and TALK to him extensively about it.

    I am all for non-surgery alternatives, so if you succeed going that route, more power to you.

    To answer a couple of previous questions, yes, I can do backbends without pain but you should also know I don’t do “extreme” back bends. Never could, really, I’m not that advanced of a yogi!

    But even if I did feel some extra restriction I hadn’t before, I decided ahead of time that I would be okay with whatever happened because I think it’s important to roll with the punches and not hold onto perfectionism.

    And the reason I had both sides done is because my surgeon SUSPECTED I had a hernia on the other side, but he told me that he would not decide about the other one till he got in there with the laparascope and see for himself. Turns out there was enough of a hernia there to repair, so he did that side as well.

    Insurance covered it, yes, but I had to pay a LOT because of the plan I had. Cost me about $4K, OUCH. That was the only pain that was significant!

    Thanks again and keep us posted ….

    billymueller
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    Well, I was just notified of this latest post and I realized I had not updated you all.

    So here’s what happened ….

    I had the double hernia laparoscopic surgery on July 8th. Everything went just great. I’m VERY happy I had it done. And just like the doctor said, I am now doing everything I was doing before, and all the original strength and flexibility is there. No pain, no problems. And no more hernia.

    It DID take a good 3-4 weeks before I was able to resume full activities and icing my groin as much as possible for 2-3 weeks was inconvenient. But well worth it because it’s my understanding that if you don’t ice it as much as possible in those first few weeks and if you don’t wear bikini brief underwear your recovery can take much longer.

    The supposed dangers of mesh are nonsense, if you ask me. Had a long conversation with my doctor about that. It’s really safe. This is routine, effective surgery IF you have a GOOD SURGEON. Do your homework and make sure you get a great surgeon.

    Of course, if you go online you will find horror stories if you search hard enough. A few hundred people every year of taking Tylenol, too.

    The bigger danger is not the mesh, it’s having to do the surgery over again if you don’t have a good doctor.

    Can you repair the hernia without surgery? My opinion is no. A hernia is literally a tear; imagine a wet paper bag with a tear in it. You can’t really repair that without surgery. Sure, you may be able to hold off the surgery by keeping it at bay, but literally repairing it to full strength? I’m very skeptical about that.

    It’s sort of like a cavity in your tooth. It won’t go away by itself and it will gradually get worse over time.

    Best of luck and keep us posted. I’m not saying I have all the answers … I am only sharing my experience here.

    By the way, I DO think I could have waited another year or so before having the surgery because my hernia was that minor. But I don’t see how I could have avoided having it surgically repaired.

    billymueller
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    Update: I’m happy to report that I’ve done hot yoga two days in a row now with no problems! No after-effects, no soreness, no swelling.

    Yes, I did take it easy on some of the poses, but for the most part I just practiced as usual.

    I’m very encouraged about this! I still think I have a hernia and I still think it will need to be repaired by surgery, but it’s good to know I can still exercise without making it worse for now.

    billymueller
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    Hey John,

    Thanks for the reply! I’m amazed how similar your symptoms are to mine — what I mean by that is that my hernia appears to be as minor as yours.

    I’m very encouraged by the fact that you’ve been able to resume hot yoga. Last time I did hot yoga, it aggravated my hernia somewhat (made it bulge and a little sore), so I decided to back off and just rest it. That was nearly two weeks ago, and my groin area currently has no bulge, but it is a little squishy to the touch sometimes.

    It feels like just resting it has healed it somewhat. However, until I’m proven wrong, I do not believe that simply leaving it alone, or doing certain strengthening exercise, will fully heal it. Would love to be wrong on that, of course. Even though it feels fine right now, I can still FEEL it in there a little bit. I don’t think that’s going away. My doctor put it like this: It’s like a tooth cavity … it’s not going to go away and it will only get worse over time.

    However, I find your experience very interesting because yours appears to be getting better. Which is very encouraging.

    The other thing he told me was this: “Your hernia is at a very early stage, and if you were, say, an accountant sitting in a chair all day long and you never exercised, then I would tell you that you could wait one to two years before getting it fixed. But since you’re playing all sorts of sports, you should get it fixed.”

    As for the surgery itself, yes, I do believe it’s completely routine. Not sure I would use the word “trivial,” but yeah, that’s how I’m looking at it. As Bill Walton once said, “Minor” surgery is when they’re doing it on someone else!”

    The doc said the procedure takes 35 minutes and I will be able to resume ALL activities I was doing before the surgery after waiting 3-4 weeks to heal. He said it will absolutely be the same and, in fact, the groin area will actually be STRONGER because that mesh will be in there. (Your skin grows into the mesh over time and it becomes part of you.) I forgot to ask him about this, but my suspicion is that the only downside is that perhaps the groin will be less flexible, but I really don’t know for sure. He said the recurrence rate is less than 1%.

    Like I said, I’ve jogged a couple times and jumped rope twice. No side effects to those activities, so tomorrow I think I will go to my hot yoga class and see how it goes. (I go to a yoga place here in San Diego called CorePowerYoga, and they do a hot class that’s almost identical to Bikram.)

    Anyway, I will keep you posted. Congrats on your situation, as it appears to be getting better. I wouldn’t get down on yourself for being “lazy” (as you put it), or for delaying surgery. Sounds to me like you’re just doing what you can. I really don’t think there is any downside to delaying surgery UNLESS your symptoms were getting worse, which they’re not in your case. The only real danger with a hernia is strangulation, in which the bulge gets so huge that the protruding intestine can get strangulated and blood flow is cut off to the organs and then you’re in an immediate emergency type situation. But you’re obviously nowhere near that and you’re being cautious, which is good.

    I think your theory that it may have been caused by the trumpet playing is very possible. That makes sense to me, based on what I have learned about hernias and their causes. But there’s really no way to know for sure.

    Anyway, thanks again for the post and I will keep you apprised of my progress. An interesting side note to my own situation is that I would have already gotten the surgery if it wasn’t for the fact that I happen to be in the middle of switching health insurance plans and I CAN’T do the surgery now, unless I want to pay $3,400 out of pocket. If I wait till my new plan kicks in (in a month or two), then it will only cost me $250.

    So that’s why I’m waiting and trying to figure out what I can do physically and what I can’t do. I certainly don’t want to make it worse while I wait for surgery, but sitting on my butt doing nothing is not an option! I don’t feel like myself unless I can do exercise of some kind, so I’m going to continue to see what I can do safely.

    I would actually consider never getting the surgery, but I do not want to give up playing tennis and basketball, and those activities I’m sure would aggravate the hernia. Plus, I do not want to spend the rest of my life never being able to lift a heavy object, do some weight lifting, and tip-toeing around the groin sensitivity. But we shall see.

    billymueller
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    Hey John and Gabrielle,

    I am just discovering this thread. John, thank you SO MUCH for describing your whole journey with this.

    It’s very helpful for me, because I just discovered I have an inguinal hernia, too. Your symptoms seem to mirror mine almost exactly: no pain, only occasional swelling, and very small. It’s definitely in the initial stages.

    I’ve been doing a lot of hot yoga before coming down with this, and I’m already missing it, big-time. Yoga seems to be one of the few things I need to be vee-e-ry careful resuming because of how it stretches the body.

    Since I’m a fitness fanatic and can’t stand to NOT do anything physical, I have tried to see what I can and can’t do. Light jogging seems like it’s okay. For instance, I jogged today at a very slow pace for 2 miles, and although that groin area felt weak and even a little bit sore toward the end, it did not seem to do any damage and there was no swelling afterward.

    I’ve also jumped rope a few times and that’s been fine, too.

    My conclusions, based on seeing a hernia specialist and doing a lot of reading is that:

    1) It’s not something fixable through mere exercise. I do think the mesh surgery will be necessary. But it seems so routine and effective that I don’t know why anyone would be hesitant in getting it done. The doctor assures me that area will be as strong as before and I will be able to do all the activities I was doing till now (which include basketball and tennis.)

    2) There’s no telling what caused it, but congenital reasons are not to be ruled out, apparently.

    Anyway, John, do you have an update for me? Looks like it’s been a couple months since your last post. Please tell me how you’re doing and if you have found anything else out.

    Thanks!

    Billy

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