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  • davidf15x
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    Charlotte, I need to repeat what I said previously. If the class really feels way hot and you are getting a bad reaction–there is a good chance you are not well rested and are too stressed for the class. Yoga is great to relieve stress but you need to be in the swing of stressing and releasing. For example, if you are not in the hot yoga habit and you are not sleeping well and having a lot of stress–you might have a very bad class. Next, you may need more hydration than what you have reported. Take note of how much you sweat in a “good” class–that is your standard. I happen to sweat profusely so for me–I need to really drench the towel to know my body is reacting correctly. Right *for you* is the key. Fluid must be absorbed so if you are taking little and peeing it right out, your body is not rested and ready for yoga. Coconut water is fine, emergen C is fine, gatorade is fine, vitamin water is fine. Take care to notice that the fluid is actually being absorbed and Gabrielle has it right–my point here is that one salt tablet can really make a difference and a splash of lemon juice with your vitamin water will push it into your system a bit better.
    Hot yoga is a blessing for high stress people but do not try to be superman (or superwoman). Hydrate slowly throughout the day and very close to close–take an additional good bit of support. Add a splash of sea salt or lemon juice. If you are hydrated, you should be sweating BEFORE the class. You know you are good to go if you are really sweating after the initial warm up. Don’t risk your health by not paying attention!! Good sleep AND hydration are both keys to a good experience.

    davidf15x
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    Thanks for responding Gabrielle. I suppose the main attraction to vinyasa is the cooler room temp and I find some hot yoga studios to simply be so hot it takes too much out of you just to take the heat.

    I find the quick flow up to a pose to hit the floor quickly irritating and a waste of time and hardly a good excuse to become more limber–except for the exchange of low push up to up dog to down dog–*that* makes sense. I think that is good.

    One Bikram studio I attend has a vinyasa class in its weekly schedule–I think that is a good trend–although I do not know if this meets the standards of Mr. Bikram C.

    The vinyasa class varies a good deal which is both good and bad. When one’s wrists are so stiff it is hard to do one wheel–it is not great when they repeat it three times in a row.

    To repeat, I suppose the best possible world is to have some vinyasa thrown into a Bikram routine–I just wish I had a consistent routine since it is hard for me to make 2 classes a week.

    davidf15x
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    Thanks for answering Gabrielle, I do have a good diet but the legendary stiffness in my body remains a problem. For fixed firm, I can only stand up on my knees and cannot go back at all without pain. I can barely touch my toes with my finger tips and I cannot hold my leg upright in the first standing pose because of pain in my hip joints. I do not consider myself arthritic but from my teen years–I have always had uncommon stiffness and this covers, my ankles, knees, lower back, shoulders and wrists.

    After three years–on and off–of Bikram yoga–I have improved a bit. I do it because 1) I want to be fit and this is a great all-over body work out 2) I want to be less prone to injury and I drive a lot and lift a lot of heavy things so I think I need the yoga.

    My mother, of blessed memory, said I should eat oil to loosen me up. Sadly, I am not a metal machine so that does not work.

    I had hope with Lucas’ product and I had hope with other supplements but they have no positive effect. Any other suggestions beyond hot baths and showers?

    David

    davidf15x
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    I have finished the whole bottle and it is quite large. I did not notice any improvement or any effect. Previously, I did try MSM and did not notice any difference while taking MSM is about equivalent values. That is disappointing considering I am unusually stiff and I have a long, long way to go.

    I am trying another product but I have no reaction, no improvement with that product–described as a “miracle.” I do not doubt the positive responses for Lucas’ product–I suppose it just does not work for everyone.

    davidf15x
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    Robert and Gabrielle:

    I have a simple question–even as I have found my own answer. Home practice seems a very good bet for people tired of going to a studio. Once one has endured a year or two of studio practices–dropping it 5 out of 6 times for home practice seems a good idea to me. Tell me what is wrong with this routine. 1) lay out a mat with towel in front of a mirror in a room with 70 temp. 2) take a hot bath–as hot as you can stand for 20 minutes, 3) dry off and do as many of the 26 poses you want, 4) shower in the privacy or one’s own home.

    What is wrong with that?

    davidf15x
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    Gabrielle’s word is gold but I am happy to relate some of my experience knowing that these matters are always individual so only part of what I say may relate to your circumstance.

    I also struggle with the heat and I do notice that I have different heat reactions even when the heat is precisely the same from one class to the next–so the thermostat is consistent–our bodies change from class to class and our prep, sleep, blood pressue and level of hydration all have an impact.

    So assuming normal electrolytes in your blood (no low levels)and a good low healthy BP–focus on how you hydrate. Oftentimes, I drink plenty of water, plus a coconut water, plus either a sports drink (Powerade) or an EmergenC. But I have an additonal suggestion based upon my own body and my experience with the heat. Despite the fact my sodium, pottassium, etc are dead on perfect–I normally take one salt tablet before class and sometimes even one afterward. The ones I buy from CVS cost about $7 for a huge bottle of tablets and this is a treatment used by runners and other athletes for heat prostration. One tablet can make a huge difference.

    Therefore, get a good read on your blood pressure, mind your sleep and come to class peppy or don’t come, hydrate even in the overkill range with not simply water or rice drink but with coconut water, Powerade or Gatorade, or Emergen C–and then try a salt tablet and see if it makes a difference.

    But listen the the expert, Gabrielle, first and foremost.

    davidf15x
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    Perhaps there are millions of users of minoxidil. I assumed it to be safe and when I asked the pharmacist about it, he asked me if I had high blood pressure and I said no since my blood pressure has always been normal–so I did not even focus on its safety–only its alleged effectiveness. Later, when I took my ‘crash’ story to one doctor and he so quickly said–“sure” it is totally credible–I saw that I had the answer to my medical mystery as soon as the warnings matched up with my symptoms. Bottom line–it is foolish to put a drug directly on an one’s scalp where it can be absorbed so directly. And bottom line–the moment I dropped minoxidil and Kevis–my health immediately improved.

    The medical fact sheet on this drug is very scary and it played right into my weaknesses. It clearly can cause hypertension and causing sleep disruption is sufficient to create a problem alone.

    The timing on my first use of minoxidil and the timing of going to the hospital with heart pain and ringing in the ears matched up very well but I failed to make the connection. Soon after–I began Bikram yoga and it seems that the benefit to my whole system compensated for the bad effects of the drug. When I had to stop the yoga–the toxic affect of the drug built up in my bloodstream and I was a walking time bomb.

    I urge people to search the internet concerning the toxic effect of this substance and the reported negative side affects. I assume that most people in very good shape and with very low sensitivity to chemicals can absorb this in their bloodstream without incident(the active ingredient seems to remain in the bloodstream but other components are absorbed in one’s fat and perhaps elsewhere)and I have also been told that generic knockoffs can have altered chemical compositions that can present differently in one’s body than the drug studied and approved by the FDA.

    Sure, because we are talking about a cosmetic product that no one actually needs for their health–I believe that it should not be available over the counter but through prescription only. My doctor–looking at my full head of hair might have said–forget it–with your sensitivities–“no.” I feel badly for drug companies with a product that can save a life being hassled with detailed reports about every conceivable side affect some person might have–perhaps not even related to the product itself. This is very unfair. By contrast, here is a cosmetic product that will save no lives and will actually potentially ruin lives–given the right set of circumstances. Even at a minimum, if you want to risk harming your sleep patterns which can cause negative side affects–read the warnings that are all over the internet first.

    I freely admit that my experience might be atypical–indeed–I thought I was in deep trouble and I have been out of commission for a few months now. Further, I have become a critic of Kevis–supposedly non-drug but I had a rough experience with it as well–sexual dysfunction, horrible headaches–plus, of course, hair *loss* instead of gain. I respect all businesses and I feel fine making this public and I am fine telling people to be very cautious putting harsh chemicals directly onto the scalp where it is absorbed so immediately.

    There is a clear need to separate what is incidental from what is causal. I believe that I have made that distinction correctly for *my case* and quite obviously–every doctor I have spoken agrees that given the facts of my case–I should not ever use those hair products again. Concerning whether or not I have some kind of personal aversion to the heat–I doubt it. My ability to sweat has returned to what appear to be normal levels and a combination of Chinese herbs and vitamins seem to help.

    If anyone reading this has noticed a decline in health–I would surely recommend temporarily dropping the minoxidil product to see if things change for the better.

    davidf15x
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    Gabrielle, you are so kind. I need to stick to the “dope” accusation since I have a full head of hair and I unwittingly turned my good health to bad over a hair product.

    The interesting questions I posed remain. To repeat, is it really possible that the positive affects of the hot yoga neutralized the negative affects of the minoxidil toxins? Indeed, the drug fails to strongly affect many people. But I am sensitive so I am theorizing that a build up poised to give me heart trouble was lessened by the cardiovascular support of the yoga. We agree about the toxin removing aspect–although my pharmacist insists that the drug is contained in the blood and not stored in the fat so I am thinking it could have been partly excreted in the sweat. Then, when I suddenly stopped the yoga but kept up the hair product–the toxic buildup had no counter-balance and I crashed. Everyone agrees that losing the ability to perspire is a rare medical event. Tracing back how it all happened is interesting but now that I know the cause–it matters far less how it actually happened. After the crash, I struggled to recover especially the irregular heart beat and chest pain because I kept putting hair products on my scalp. Now I am finally getting better sleep and feeling a bit better every day.

    I am so desperate to get back to normal again and this heart grumbling had better end. I will get back to hot yoga when I feel I am strong enough.

    Lastly, I now wonder if my inability to improve in my hot yoga practice was partly due to the fact my system was burdened with a toxin?

    davidf15x
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    in reply to: low sodium #5062

    That’s right, Amy.

    But I must admit the salt tablet did have a positive affect on my heart but if that number is right–by the numbers–I don’t seem to need the salt.

    I don’t seem to have a heart problem although I get periodic chest pains that could be related to stress. As a result–I took an elaborate EKG and I have an ejection fraction of 65 which is good.

    I have never had a tough time during hot yoga class. No fainting or trouble finishing or anything like that.

    I am now out of shape so I will try to build myself back up and try a class since I seem to be sweating well again.

    davidf15x
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    in reply to: low sodium #5060

    Thanks Gabrielle and Amy for also chiming in. I do worry about the long-term affect of the heat with intense exercise and this is why I have always said that hot yoga is “not for everyone.” Indeed, I might have been referring to myself unintentionally.

    I continue to be a bit mystified and let me explain. Amy says that her sodium was a low 117. Before I took any salt or salt tablets, my doctor gave me the blood tests. After the fact, I went and asked for a copy of that report. When I had the shallow and rapid heart beat and not not taken any salt tablet or added salt in my diet–my sodium was a solid 141–potassium fine, chloride, fine–in fact–everything looked fine. So I need to understand again–why the crash? Why the symptoms of heat exhaustion? and no–I don’t think I had too much water. I was a bit perturbed that the cardiologist I waited so long to see for the second opinion abruptly interrupted my saga and said my internist was right–have more salt and that is that. But if my sodium was 141 *before*–no doubt it must be higher now.

    Now I must admit that four straight days of a salt tablet and my heart beat does feel stronger. I bet my blood pressure is up a bit, however so this is a very delicate thing. I ate for salty food for lunch so no salt tablet today.

    I have dealt well with hot yoga in the past so I feel I will surely get back into it again. But before I do–I want to work my body back in shape before I attempt a class–but I will make one more appeal for suggestions.

    I have slept a whole heck of a lot. I consume every recommended vitamin and mineral I can find. I am doing acupuncture and I am taking Chinese herbs. I am taking the salt tablet as long as it seems to agree with me.

    Thanks so much for the attention.

    davidf15x
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    in reply to: low sodium #5056

    After two years of enjoying Bikram yoga–I crashed with heat exhaustion a couple of days *After* a yoga class. Rapid and irregular heart beats and a sudden inability to take in fluids. Consequently, I lost the ability to sweat or have any tears, any fluids. Unable to sleep, I was literally standing at the toilet peeing while drinking Powerade–the liquid was going right through me. Now, about two months later, I have recovered the ability to sweat although some chest pain remains. After blood work, my doctor told me to increase salt intake. I can’t stand the taste of salt and I have a low sodium diet–relying on the sodium that is commonly found in most foods. After 2 years, I do not understand the sudden change since I have been low salt for my entire adult life. I went to get a second opinion from a cardiologist–he also told me to consume more salt. I have purchased salt tablets and I now take them once a day. My sweating has recovered and my chest pains have improved significantly. I am still fatigued but my sleep is now normal.

    I am still baffled by the experience. One theory is that I ignored my salt intake and with the hot yoga–it gradually brought me to crash level. 2) the yoga classroom is commonly too hot and the increased pressure of classes over 105 degrees pushed me over the edge. 3) I have an underlying abnormality with my adrenal glands. 4) a knee injury changed my routine and my fitness so everything that was working in sync changed so that I was suddenly more vulnerable–how–I do not understand.

    “Electrolytes” is a general term–I am mineral rich but salt is a separate topic. It seems for my health–I am suddenly very salt sensitive. Did Bikram yoga CREATE this susceptibility? Is it the normal process of sweating a lot? If so–why did I not crash sooner or have any warning?

    Gabrielle–Robert–any comments are appreciated.

    davidf15x
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    To answer your question–since the driving has been implicated (after one million miles–I am a tad slow to assess a problem)–I am trying to drive less and when I drive–I will do so with the big medical brace on my knee.

    The fact that surgery can be only 70% effective and 30% failure rate with risk of permanent problems–it really has me scared. If a surgeon cannot give me better odds than that–I might never do it. As is, I can walk but I cannot run and the pain is there.

    Therefore–do you know anyone who has paid for the $97 book and it actually fixed their problem. Can there really be a medical “secret”–I am skeptical. I’ll try it in desperation if someone can say it might be worthwhile.

    I will continue to go the hot yoga–especially if there continues to be some improvement. It feels better after class and then the pain comes back.

    davidf15x
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    Robert–you are very kind. I will follow your links. I like the hot yoga and it is true that avoiding the poses that cause knee pain–I feel pretty good after class and I don’t know why I should avoid what seems to be a positive experience–do you disagree? If another form of yoga might be more beneficial–let me know what you have in mind.

    I must have a full recovery so I can’t take surgery off the table. In fact, I think I need to look into it asap. But I really want to see if I can maintain some consistent improvement.

    davidf15x
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    Thanks Robert for the inquiry. Things are not great and this is obviously a tough injury. After week 6, I stopped going to the sports doc since all he had left was more stretching exercises. My first trip back to yoga class was OK. My second visit was better and I started stretching more at home as a result. Then–more pain. I iced it a lot, did one more class yesterday that seemed to go OK. But I am concerned. If I can’t get it past a certain point of mobility- I will have to try the surgery. A yoga enthusiast wants me to go “hard” in the Bikram route–a class every day for a week. I just really need a healthy knee. Now, I am coming into week 8 and some say this is still not enough time for a full healing and I am doing OK.

    What do you say?

    davidf15x
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    I do not wish you to misunderstand my point here. One of my pals is a guy who is horribly obese. He loves hot yoga and everyone encourages him. He was once a marine and had a series of physical problems and now his weight is out of control. He loves it and no one can talk him out of it and indeed–no one should.

    Bikram yoga is not for everyone. To say that there is no downside in anyone trying it, I believe is a mistake but I am not a studio owner. As a small businessman–I am very sensitive to the problem and this is the focus of my concern. I believe it is good business to radically reduce the number of people who show up at a studio and have a bad experience. There is no current mechanism for this to happen and I simply wonder if this is good policy. In my opinion, from a business perspective–this is not a good policy.

    If I interviewed my friend who is horribly overweight and he told me he would be committed in all likelihood, I would take his blood pressure, give him a pep talk and let him go. How can a studio screen for a fragile newbie? It is tough. My point is that this can be done the same way it is done at the gym and if a good faith effort is done–that is enough and it would both protect a studio owner and would give a fragile newbie pause about even showing up the first time. I am not a paranoid–it simply seems reasonable that some disgruntled newbie could sue a studio for not giving fair warning. Again, it is not MY issue since I am fit and largely coordinated. But such a suit could get a sympathetic ear– a lame release form, uneven instruction, a crowded hot room, a slippery floor, disorienting postures, peer pressure–etc. I loathe these kinds of accusations but is it a credible threat under the current set of circumstances–my guess is yes, it is a threat.

    We live in a society where short step ladders have really dumb warnings and shower soap warns people “for external use only.” In context, Bikram Yoga’s unhappy newbies seem to be an accident waiting to happen and it does not matter if this does not apply nine out of ten times or even one out of 100. Just my thought here.

    davidf15x
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    Bikram Yoga is to be applauded because it does make an immediate and real reaction in people. There is a clear effect right from the beginning and this creates controversy. I believe some of the controversy can be contained and I believe studio owners need to on their own, take control of the fact that a minority of newbies will have a bad reaction to it. Problematic newbies could be screened far better. My first class was really fine–no problem but I have witnessed many bad first impressions and I believe it is in the interest of yoga studios to turn some people away by putting a burden on them to indicate that they really want to give it a try–hearing and understanding what it is about.

    Again, I go back to my gym as a model. Before you join, they sit you down and when they see you are overweight or maybe on medications–they steer you in a clear direction since they do not want trouble. I know of no attempt by Bikram studio owners, as a matter of strict policy to screen people in good faith. Yes, I know there is a release which is signed–this is not what I am speaking about. Most people do not even read the form, they sign at the bottom, as the line behind them is pushing them to sign and move along. People need to be told that if they are not in good basic physical shape, they will have a hard time with the postures. They should be screened to ask them if they are ready and willing to lose weight, eat better and seek to better their practice over time. The gym is oftentimes a 6 month or one-year commitment. A significant minority–perhaps 10%-20% of newbies are one class and they don’t come back. This is a huge number of unsatisfied people and I believe that many of them could be saved if handled differently.

    Gabrielle is a hero. I would venture to say she would save almost all of them if everyone could come to her studio.

    Yoga is still sweeping the country and I believe the Bikram ship could be a bit tighter as interest continues to expand. My own wife is sadly, a one-and-done Bikram student. She is unbelievably flexible and tolerant of the heat. She could easily go further, faster than myself. Yet, her bad first experience (despite the fact that the studio was the coolest and the instructor the most calm and kind)will mean she is likely to never return–my positive experience notwithstanding. Like medications, people will have varying reactions to Bikram Yoga. Some could potentially be mollified, others–never.

    davidf15x
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    in reply to: hydration #4420

    I asked Lucas to respond to the fact that drinking a lot of water is controversial. Since the subject is on this blog, I will open it up to others as well. It is obvious to me that anyone doing Hot Yoga must make proper adjustment and drink water before class in anticipation of all the perspiration which comes from a typical class. Failure to hydrate seems an obviously dumb idea if one is regularly involved with a hot yoga routine.

    But there is a medical controversy concerning the consumption of water in general–many push 8 glasses a day as a daily benchmark regardless of hot yoga practice. Some in the medical world say this is not healthy and one could easily drink only when thirsty since we absorb a lot of water from the food we eat and many of us eat healthy which means there is a lot of water in the fruits and vegetables we also regularly consume. One doctor on the internet brags that he has not had any water in 20 years and is in perfect health.

    It may make sense to drink water only when we are thirsty and pushing to drink all that extra
    water does not seem to be logical given that no animal would do such a thing. “Excess” water is implicated in renal failure and a whole host of medical problems–according to a new breed of medical advice that is now gaining currency.

    My belief (which is subject to change) says that one should drink when thirsty and normally, hydrating an extra amount only before or after a hot yoga class since it is an event with an unusual amount of water loss in perspiration.

    People want the best health advice. Is it better, in your opinion, to drink “excess” water”
    than it is to simply absorb water from food and have a normal amount of drinking during the day? Lastly, if water is implicated in greater flexibility and this is why yogies should drink more water–can this be proven or alleged with something more than anecdote?

    davidf15x
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    I am thinking through my knee problem and my guess here is that I have a meniscus problem due to my driving–I now have hit the one million mile mark in driving a variety of vans and trucks and if there is something known as “driver’s knee” (I have never looked into it)–I have it.

    After about three weeks, I am walking with discomfort–still with the brace and as much as I can without it. There is still plenty of swelling. I stubbornly refuse surgery since it is healing slowly and my Doc seems to agree that surgery is not going to give me a better condition unless I stop making progress.

    Of course, Yoga is out and in these short weeks, my body has suffered and the fitness I once had before the “accident” has diminished. I thank Robert for what he has said in this thread to Don. I now worry that I will not be able to do Triangle (which I could actually do fairly well) and some other poses which require some bend in the knee. I understand I will have to start over and take it slowly and build back over time.

    I would simply appreciate a pep talk concerning an understanding that healing will occur and I can get back to where I was. I am trying to do some of the poses at home after taking a shower (for example) that do not require my right knee and the gratitude that comes from having an undamaged body has been hammered home. Even Half-Moon is hard since I feel it along the side of my knee as bend over.

    davidf15x
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    in reply to: Knee injury #4317

    Almost two weeks and I am facing a long recovery. I cannot even recall how this happened–simply stretching in bed and I don’t think I pushed it too hard at all.

    The Doc says I am healing and much of the sharp, stabbing pain is gone but I have horrible stiffness. He says yoga is out for another two-three weeks at least. I am hobbling and I have the recommended support brace.

    Any other suggests–ice packs, ibuprofen, light leg lifts. It is a meniscus issue. I can simply lift my leg with a lot of stiffness but little lateral movement. For example, Triangle would be painful.

    davidf15x
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    in reply to: Knee injury #4259

    Thanks, yes I am doing this, except for the massage part. I take high quantities of ibuprofen and use the ice pack since there is some swelling.

    Sunday is my *sure* day for Bikram–it will not happen today. I hope it feels better in 3-4 days.

    davidf15x
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    in reply to: Heat reaction #4232

    Thanks for the reply, Lucas. Alas, I don’t know how to e-mail you personally so I will reply here. Thank you so much for your link which describes the yoga stretches as a compliment to Bikram yoga. However, I would challenge you to say more about your radical diet and your advertised supplement.

    First, regarding MSM, we are speaking of data, studies, medical opinion or scientific evidence to document that the dosage of MSM is both safe and effective. The fact that it is natural and a sulpher compound does not mean that it is without potential controversy since after all, one can consume any number of natural foods or compounds at risk. As for healing, relieving pain and allowing for added flexibility–how might MSM compare with glucosamine and chrondoydrin or other alternatives? If MSM is such a wondrous innovation–please tell us where else it is used and who else recommends it. Further, please concede that the fact that some people like myself are unusually stiff while others are normally and naturally flexible is a natural variation and nothing to do with whether one person takes your MSM supplement and another does not.

    Second, your dietary recommendations are radical and I say this in context to the fact that your target audience is already very health and calorie conscious, less prone to eat lots of fat, sugar, meat and even diary. I submit to you that a normal diet by your readers is already pretty good and you have a sure burden to convince people that added flexibility can be garnered from becoming completely free of things like rice, fish and eggs. Your examples are straw-man kind of attacks and the man who has a medical condition of high cholesterol may need something radical while the vast majority of us are fine.

    You have me convinced that those extra yoga stretches will help me gain added flexibility. But you need to work harder to explain that a person like myself would benefit greatly from dropping all fish (2-3 times a week), chicken (once or twice a week), eggs (I have perhaps two eggs a week–max), potatoes, rice and bread. I surely eat a good amount of fruits and vegetables and I would venture to say that the vast majority of Bikram yoga students do as well. Therefore, I ask again, is there really a measurable benefit to go radical vegan as opposed to vegan “plus?”

    I see that you care greatly about what you preach and I hope that you can be a bit more convincing. In any case, I have learned from you and I hope I can finally gain greater flexibility in my body.

    davidf15x
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    in reply to: Heat reaction #4225

    Ok, Robert thanks for your reply and I am enjoying this web blog and Gabrielle is loaded with good will. I invite you to re-read my last posting and I will go over it again.

    There is a problem with a lack of clear direction regarding the heat index in many Bikram yoga studios which call out for standardization. This is contrasted by the fact that there is a standardized script and a standardized level of control over the concept of a hot yoga studio with postures that are in the public domain.

    Regarding the problem with the heat, I am not speaking of one studio but an industry wide problem. 1) Studios have widely varying systems: some are forced air, some have high ceilings and some low and many with no humidity control, some have heat panels from the ceiling, I know of at least one with floor heat, some have portable heating units positioned on the floor meaning it is much hotter if you are close to a unit, some have units mounted up in the air meaning there are consistent hot spots. 2) Studios employ instructors with varying concern about the heat. I have encountered some with a very cavalier attitude about it but beyond the gung-ho make ’em sweat instructors, there is simply normal variation. For example, at one studio in Florida–back to back 9:00 Am visits with a big thermometer post nearby, one instructor started it at 105 and let it cool to about 102 through the class. Another started at 106 and let it run to 107 and let it back to 104 only towards the very end. Some turn on fans and open doors, others do nothing. 3) Instructors oftentimes fail to monitor student reactions. Some are very sensitive, others do not notice at all. At one humid class, almost 2/3rds of the class was down on their mats, three people were forced to walk out and when the instructor barked at one student leaving “why are YOU leaving..you are a regular?”–*still* nothing was done about the the fact the room was way too hot and way too humid. This was one extreme event. But during hot classes less extreme, some instructors will tell us to tough it out and keep mental focus, admitting “I know it is hot” and this is unnecessary and not a positive thing to do. It is a problem and it does not matter if an allegation of excessive heat is there only 5-10% of the time. I am willing to make the complaint if there is a problem only 2-5% of the time.

    My solution: 1) install a firm requirement regarding ceiling height in all classrooms. 2) keep firm limits on heat and humidity *no matter what* 3) Tell gung ho instructors to notice if there are more than 5% (or 3 people whichever is greater)of the class sitting out and adjust the heat, open a door, turn on a fan, etc.

    Lastly, regarding Lucas, I really appreciate some of his insights. His diet suggestions are radical and although I do not want any supplement to be FDA approved–I want it to have some medical and scientific backing. What studies are there about MSM?

    davidf15x
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    in reply to: Heat reaction #4215

    I am just back from a class and it was pretty easy with the heat. The issue is related to the studio, my position in the room, the instructor’s decision on how to run the heat, the humidity, etc.

    My complaint here is that as Bikram yoga continues to expand–these details need to be monitored and perhaps even standardized. My initial reactions still stand: if it is a humid day and the studio has little ventilation, specific individuals can suffer bad reactions. I was at a class when a beautiful young woman fainted during the initial breathing–I have seen people having to walk out of class because of the heat, I have seen people slip on hardwood floors and people like myself often turn very red as a reaction to bad conditions.

    I am convinced that this form of yoga is a very healthy thing to do, in fact I am sold on it in a big way. This is why I also want to protect it from potential lawsuits and trouble. Too many newbies with no background or adequate preparation show up for classes all over the world right now with varying classroom situations and I think this screams for regulation on the home front. As an analogy, one can be sure that every McDonald’s hamburger is cooked precisely the same amount of time in the same kind of unit so that a chance of an undercooked or overcooked burger is almost a scientific impossibility. One bad burger could cost McDonald’s a boatload of money. Similarly, when I saw the cute 20 year old young woman walk out over-heated in a studio here in Washington, DC–it takes little imagination to see that she could yap to her big-wig lawyer Dad about the experience.

    Sorry to say that the heat in the room in a typical Bikram studio throughout the US is a varying experience. Some studios are uniformly “cool”–some studios vary widely and some studios can be burned by macho instructors that push the heat to a higher level than the norm.

    Now, more controversy. Lucas has been given a link on this site to take more than a few controversial stands. First, a radical diet. Then a supplement sponsored by apparently no medical authority. But also a crucial statement concerning the Bikram practice and that is that one develops flexibility outside of the yoga classroom doing alternative yoga stretches and that Bikram is primarily where one demonstrates the improvements made outside of class. This goes against the party line of the Bikram studio which tells people to keep coming to class to break past the wall of inflexibility.
    Bikram himself has been able to do something one might think impossible–patenting a series of yoga postures that are hundreds of years old and in the public domain and then creating a fortune with his world-wide empire of Bikram studios owned and run by people only he has trained (at a cost to the participants.) Now we have here another great businesswoman, Gabrielle who is selling videos and instruction off of Bikram’s success (I have no problem with it and I think this is an excellent website and Gabrielle is fully entitled) and then there is Lucas with his emerging business of an herbal supplement and more that targets the clientele established by Bikram.

    I feel this is an inevitable part of the growth and success of yoga.

    I welcome any comments.

    davidf15x
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    in reply to: Heat reaction #4178

    Thanks so much for the reply, Gabrielle and I agree that “it is possible to become sensitive to something over time.” This is why I once loved green tea and after a couple of years–it now gives me horrible diarrhea. Ditto with another favored beverage–fine at the beginning and then real intolerance. And I applaud you again for including the article by Leslie Funk. With my first experience with Bikram yoga, I worried that someone somewhere would sue. So why not a slightly lower standard of say 102?

    One studio I attend has clear zones and my joke with the owner is that one could do well to get a “weather report.” One space in the middle is uncommonly hot, one side tends to be more humid, the window spot is good in the winter months but hot during the day in the summer–for a humid day, it is best in the back, etc.

    Would you encourage or discourage my “shower break” between floor and standing series?

    David

    davidf15x
    Participant
    Post count: 30
    in reply to: Heat reaction #4170

    Love the heat–there are many people who do not love the heat. I have been doing this for about two years–I am used to it. The more I do it, the more I am becoming sensitive to it.

    I need to do elaborate things to avoid the heat, chiefly, finding a cool place in the room, normally near the windows. Further, I pour a quarter a bottle of water over my head occasionally right at the transition to the floor series–that helps a bit.

    I always get better results in the cooler class since I can concentrate on the postures instead of fighting the heat all the time. It is easy to say ignore it. I do. It affects me anyway and not positively.

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